User talk:Aria der Donau

if you need help

Hey, if you need help with wiki-code, tables, etc., just give me a yell. Tacopill 18:03, 5 October 2010 (MDT).

And I'm more than happy to help with Info that you may need! Strategex 16:28, 6 October 2010 (MDT)

Really? Thank you so much! I have something to discuss with you two (well, with anyone who wants to help, but you are the ones I see the most here). I'm trying to decide which info should go in a class page for setting up a project page. Do you want to talk about this and reach a consense? --Aria der Donau 20:45, 6 October 2010 (MDT)

I'm in! Let's do this! Where would you like to talk? And when? I'll see what I can do! Strategex 22:34, 6 October 2010 (MDT)

I like the tables you made

But is it possible you could make them look a tad better? EX: adding border="0" will remove the old tables. If you could possibly make them like the table on my Zelda Wiki account that'd be nice. See I'm sorta picky on that XD. I hate table borders and prefer using CSS borders. ^^; - Yusei  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 14:21, 4 November 2010 (MDT)

If I knew how, then I'd gladly make them better - but I'm just learning... Thanks for the advice; I'll take a look at your Zelda account. ~ Aria der Donau 14:32, 4 November 2010 (MDT)

Skype

If you could add me that would be great. I am hyperllamalord btw. SuperAlpaca 18:01, 4 January 2011 (MST)

Why?

What is the reasoning behind the following statement: "Only titles given to the character before or during the story should be included there; no ending titles, please." - Natasha 22:26, 24 January 2012 (EST)

Um. This was decided after learning that some games don't give titles in the endings, and that translations or remakes don't coincide with each other. And about the format users should follow when working on character pages... once I'm done checking all existing articles, I'll start updating the project page. ~ Aria der Donau 22:31, 24 January 2012 (EST)

So? This site aims to be encyclopedia-like, right? Quoting from another administrator regarding the ages of characters who are siblings, it "doesn't mean we don't know some of them. Why not display the knowledge that we have in its full extent?" Why not display the ending titles and games that do have them? - Natasha 22:39, 24 January 2012 (EST)

Endings do have a section for them, and several of those titles can be quite informal. ~ Aria der Donau 22:45, 24 January 2012 (EST)

"Several of those titles can be quite informal," eh? Like which ones? So there are some ending titles that are not informal? Again, which ones? Why should it matter whether a title is formal or informal - it is still a title, even if it appears at the ending, right? Why not list those titles in a character's infobox? - Natasha 22:59, 24 January 2012 (EST)

But it is not a title used during the story. For informal endings... for example, Marty from Thracia 776. His ending title is "The Man whom Dagdar Loved". It has no relevance to the story. Besides, this is a decision taken by all the staff. We have talked about it several times, and there is no changing this. ~ Aria der Donau 23:12, 24 January 2012 (EST)

Since when has the ending of a game not been considered a part of the game's story? Do the games just not have any endings then? And how do such titles not have any relevance to the game's story? Those titles are based on the context of the game's plot and are often made evident through multiple character support conversations. As a matter of fact, they are very relevant to the game's story.

And among whom has this decision passed? And why should there be no changing of it? - Natasha 23:29, 24 January 2012 (EST)

You are right; endings are part of the story. We even have a complete section for them in each character's page. However, this is how the administrators set up the project: endings have a section, and we are not including the titles in the infobox. That's it. ~ Aria der Donau 23:36, 24 January 2012 (EST)

By your same logic, titles such as "Prince of Renais" for Ephraim or “Marquess of Pherae” for Eliwood should not be included in their respective character’s infoboxes because they are already mentioned in the content of the article itself. To quote again from the same user, "People want to retrieve information quickly this day in age, and so putting the [titles] there saves them the search." - Natasha 23:43, 24 January 2012 (EST)

The point of having the "titles" section in the infobox is to list names that characters are called in-game by the other characters in game, and/or official positions that they hold in government/nobility positions. The ending titles are not a part of this. Logically, if one wanted to know the title given to a character in the ending, they would search in the ending section of the article. BrandedOne 23:46, 24 January 2012 (EST)

And logically, if one wanted to know the ages of characters that are siblings, they would search for a reference or a citation in the context of the article. But that's not always the case here, is it? Once again, the ending titles of characters are ever as much a part of the in-game story as any other titles. Titles such as "king" or "queen" for Ephraim and Eirika, respectively, are mentioned in the endings and support conversations. Why should they be excluded from the title(s) section of their characters' infoboxes? - Natasha 00:00, 25 January 2012 (EST)

That's a different situation though. There isn't a section of the article labeled "Family members". That kind of quick info is found in the infobox. There is a section for "Endings", which includes the so-called 'titles' that are given to every character as part of a heading for their ending. I can see where you're going with King and Queen for Ephraim and Eirika, but even then their title wouldn't be "Restoration King", it would be "King of Renais", with a note explaining that the title only applies after the game has ended. Headings like "Dutiful Rider", for Vanessa, are not titles by which the characters are known. They are headings for the endings, and not titles for the characters. It's quite the difference. BrandedOne 00:13, 25 January 2012 (EST)