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After Renvall

After Ephriam, Kyle, Forde, and Orson take Renvall, I was under the impression that Valter did not in fact catch Ephriam. So I pulled the dialogue from chapter 8. (Thank you Serene's Forest) Tirado says this before the battle begins as Seth and Eirika are speaking with him. Eirika asks Tirado about her brother and here is what he says, "Ah, yes. Your brother. He's not here. The coward fled Lord Valter's pursuit... Somehow, he escaped the castle. And escaping under these conditions... Tch! Such stubbornness is quite annoying. It was my cunning that led us to turn this unfortunate blunder to our advantage. I spread the rumors myself. I led the villagers to believe he was our prisoner. What better trap with which to catch his sweet, devoted sister." According to this, Orson remained in Renvall while the other 3 escape. Also if you watch the cutscene at the end of Chapter 5x, "Unbroken Heart" You will notice that Orson's over world sprite doesn't appear at all. Strategex 13:57, 27 July 2011 (EDT) (This also appears as a mistake on Forde's page.)

Nice catch. :) BrandedOne 15:25, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
It also gives us a tighter timeline for when Orson betrays Renais. :) You know that it is between Zonta's defeat and Ephraim's escape. If you look at Valter's dialogue from the VERY end of 5x, Ephraim asks him how he knew that Ephraim had taken Renvall so quickly. Valter says, "You will have your answer soon enough." Since Orson isn't even in the cut-scene, we can assume Orson reported it to the Grado troops. Lesson learned here, check the dialogues. Strategex 01:12, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
Ah, but if we read the dialogue before the battle with Zonta, Tirado says this to Valter: "Do not worry. At Prince Ephraim's side is... a friend, shall we say. When the time is right, our friend will move on our behalf..." meaning that Orson had been plotting with the enemy even before Zonta's defeat ;) But yes, always check the dialogues. BrandedOne 12:16, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
Yes, this had been in the works since before the battle of Renvall. It was also very discreetly hinted at when Orson takes a little extra time scouting their perimeter. The actual betrayal ocurred between that time. Strategex 12:36, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
Yepperdoodles. BrandedOne 13:08, 28 July 2011 (EDT)