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Talk:Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade

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Move proposal

Transcript from the Discord chat

(Times are in Coordinated Universal Time)

January 26, 2018

[4:47 AM] Anferensis: What do you guys think about the move proposal? Fire Emblem (GBA)

[4:49 AM] Moydow: I haven't checked it yet, but I agree (probably)

[4:50 AM] Moydow: ok, I checked it and I still agree

[4:52 AM] PikaSamus: we use {{FE7}} where we use {{title}} for other games, so we'd have to replace that in a bunch of places (manually I am pretty sure)

[4:52 AM] PikaSamus: I don't really know what to think about this myself

[4:53 AM] L95: I support moving it, not only because of it being the new official name, but for reader clarity

[4:53 AM] PikaSamus: I mean, I guess this is like the rename of Final Fantasy III -> VI?

[4:53 AM] L95: this stuff drives me bonkers [screenshot of {{NavWA}}]

[4:54 AM] PikaSamus: why? we do it everywhere

[4:54 AM] PikaSamus: such as every single item page

[4:55 AM] PikaSamus: unless you don't mean the navbox specifically

[4:55 AM] L95: I don't mean the nav box specifically

[4:55 AM] L95: I mean that whole situation in general

[4:55 AM] L95: with the subtitles vs "fire emblem"

[4:56 AM] L95: I just screenshotted the navbox because it's the first thing I thought of

[4:56 AM] PikaSamus: I preferred "Fire Emblem (game)" over (GBA)

[4:56 AM] PikaSamus: it got moved on impulse without discussion

[12:13 PM] BrandedOne: But they're all Fire Emblem games.

[12:14 PM] BrandedOne: There are also three for the GBA.

[3:29 PM] PikaSamus: Yeah but this is the game called Fire Emblem, the rest are called other things, Fire Emblem: Thracia 776, etc (unless you count FE1's title screen)

[3:30 PM] Moydow: It still comes across as unclear to, for example, someone who might not know there is a game called just "Fire Emblem"

[3:31 PM] Moydow: I also think it just looks out of place to have everything else referred to by just its subtitle, and then just "Fire Emblem" stuck in the middle of the thing

[3:33 PM] PikaSamus: we're going to need to do a lot of manual work since we use {{FE7}} in both places where {{FE#}} is used and where {{title}} is used

[3:34 PM] PikaSamus: I'll do whatever is decided upon, I won't let my personal objections to the move affect my editing once this goes through

[3:35 PM] PikaSamus: I remember @Jacob wanted it to be at "Fire Emblem (The Blazing Blade)", sort of a mix, but I think it is either all or nothing for this

[3:36 PM] Moydow: I think the options would be

  • Fire Emblem (game)
  • Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade

[3:36 PM] Moydow: I don't think that suggestion will work, and I don't like (GBA) either

[3:42 PM] BrandedOne: I think going with Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade makes the most sense.

[4:50 PM] L95: I agree but I'm sure you know that by now heheh

[6:06 PM] PikaSamus: the only reason I disagree is because "Fire Emblem" is what the box says and is what the game says

[6:12 PM] BrandedOne: How have they handled it in Virtual Console releases?

[6:12 PM] PikaSamus: Just "Fire Emblem", but it predates Heroes

[6:22 PM] PikaSamus: anyway if this goes through would we move Tactician (Fire Emblem GBA) to Tactician (The Blazing Blade)?

[6:24 PM] Moydow: Probably

Other comments

As I said, I disagree with the move because the game itself calls itself "Fire Emblem" with no subtitle, and this was the name it was consistently referred to in the west from its release back in 2003 until January 2017.

Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light is different because while the game calls itself "Fire Emblem', the box and everything else refers to it with a subtitle. However, I am willing to go through with whatever happens. PikaSamus (talk) 21:08, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I still support the move, I think the primary benefit for the move, outside of the fact that Nintendo has changed what they call the game, is that it allows for improved clarity in wiki materials/files/articles etc. Especially when we have lists like, The Binding Blade, Fire Emblem, The Sacred Stones, Path of Radiance. I'm trying to think of what it looks like to someone who has little familiarity with the older games. Cleaning up the use of {{FE7}} will be a hassle but its not like it will be rendered incorrect, just inconsistent. L95 (talk) 16:20, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Oppose proposal. If localization wanted us to take the name "The Blazing Blade" seriously, they would at least have made use of it in Lyn's profile in Warriors. The fact that Warriors didn't use it indicates thatlocalization is at best waffling over its usage, at worst sticking with it only in Heroes for consistency (and even then that could be unwound at any time). --Shiningpikablu252 (talk) 01:42, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
If you wanted to prevent this from going through you should have commented this before the page was moved. It was almost three months since the last comment on this, and the proposal was put up on the talk page about six months ago, so you had plenty of time. PikaSamus 20:28, 27 July 2018 (UTC)